National Australia Bank to introduce Islamic loans

The National Australia Bank (NAB) is considering introducing Shari’a loans into Australia, the funds for which will be supplied by its ‘non-profit financial arm’. This seems to have occurred shortly after comments by Federal Assistant Treasurer Chris Bowen, who claims that introducing Shari’a law into Australia will create more jobs.

The whole idea of Shari’a banking was a concept developed by Muslim fundamentalists as a way of introducing Shari’a law into non-muslim countries. After all, who would complain about ‘interest free’ banking? Actually it’s not interest free, as the interest is simply pre-calculated into the cost of the final loan and, since it claims to be interest free, the recipient has no way of knowing how much ‘profit’ they are actually paying.

    For example, to get round the Islamic ban on usury – or unfair lending – a Muslim mortgage often works by the bank buying the property, then selling it to the customer at a profit, with the customer then repaying the entire sum in installments.
    In this way the profit margin is built in from the start. It also has the advantage of making the loan immune from future interest rate rises
    [SMH]

It is not clear why the NAB is funding this project from their ‘non profit’ arm when in fact profit is built into the product. The basic description above though is how loans in Australia used to be created until the changes in the Credit Act meant that the banks could draw up a contact without surety, meaning they could implement variable rate loans instead of it being fixed at the time of the contract over the life of the loan. You can read more about these changes in John Wilson’s online book: “BANKS AND JUDGES”

    The sleepy people of Australia were not not aware of what was in store when our politicians passed a Bill called the Consumer Credit Act to replace the Moneylenders and Infants Loans Act of 1941. The Moneylenders Act clearly stated that a loan contract shall show the total amount of interest payable which meant that the lender knew exactly what the loan would cost, i.e.: there was certainty of terms in accordance with common law and the fundamental principles of economics governing the setting of interest to be charged on a loan. This and a few other qualities of the Moneylenders Act are explained in a leaflet I produced to support a motion I put before a Liberal Party State Convention in 1994 which is reprinted here.

Do not be fooled, by engaging in this type of product, you are supporting the imposition of Shari’a law. Boycott the National Australia Bank! You can read a more detailed summary of the NAB and Shari’a banking here: An examination of the discriminatory practices of the National Australia Bank

Instead of adopting Islamic laws, our banks can be required to offer fixed-payment options for customers, as used to be common practice in Australia, thus giving the public more options for home buying. However, at the same time, it should be realised that fixed-payment loans usually end up being more expensive than variable-payment loans, as banks want to maintain their profit levels. Involving Islam in our banking system is not necessary.

Bringing Sharia banking into Australia is not a question of Islamic ethics, but is more about pushing propaganda for Islam than it is about ethical banking. Sharia banking is a “thin edge of the wedge” issue, whereby Muslim fundamentalists attempt to bring Sharia law into our society, one element at a time, as part of the “cultural struggle” of Islam against Western nations.

The introduction of elements of Sharia Law is part of a long-term push for enabling Muslim fundamentalists to gain a bigger foothold in Australia, and so Australians should loudly protest against any such attempts to bring Islamic laws into our country.


References and further reading:
Muslims get interest-free loans, Sydney Morning Herald, 14 June 2009
Banks and Judges (on-line book), chapter 1: “What happened in 1981?”
“An examination of the discriminatory practices of the National Australia Bank”, Australian Identity Forum, 2 Sept. 2008
Exposing Shariah Finance, Gates of Vienna, 15 April 2008
Sharia Law / Stealth Jihad News, CI Centre, June 2009
Sharia law enters France, Homes Overseas, 7 May 2009

Comments

  1. They’re something I don’t understand and let’s all be honest! How did the politician accept the Islamic Bank rules? So you guys believe that the Australian politician are Dumb… No, on the contrary, they know why they had to accept that. They all know Math and Economics better than those haters who left school earlier.

  2. We are full says:

    You have have to be f***ing joking. I don’t want these Muslims in my country. Interest free loans? Don’t these Muslim pricks get enough given to them when they get off the boat? Sick of them trying to change this country. If you don’t like it then f*** off back to where you came from.

  3. Halal food products and now halal financial products. I am happy with the progress. The country is close to approving same sex marriage so allowing poligamy should also be on cards sooner or later.

  4. what a fucking bunch of idiots the only thing this loan does is makes sure you are not being ripped off. yes it is Islamic and yes it is based on Sharia law, and for all of you idiots that have your heads up you ass half of the Australian constitution is based on sharia law research it as the great civilized Britain borrowed it from the Ottoman empire as apparently they couldn’t come up with better solutions then what was in the Sharia law. no one is forcing anything on anyone and everyone has the right to products and services they desire Australia is a civilized country made of multiple cultures and sharia law is one of them i am not forcing it upon anyone but the Australian constitution guarantees my freedom to practice my religion. which is why we love Australia as much as everyone else on here and we would get along much better if you come to my house or mosque and see how welcoming and humble we are and not base your views on what you see on the media.

    • Ali, I would listen to and respect your point of view if you did not start by speaking in such a foul way, That f word is most offensive even when its not directed personally. If you want to be heard use good language! I would say that to anyone of any race using such language. I came on to this site as I was searching for information on the topic. You would build more bridges using respectful language, particularly in a public forum.

  5. Woah! soooo many ignorant people on this site
    First of all just because a bank wants to introduce a new loan system is not something to boycott or throw a hissy fit because it’s not like it’s compulsory have they said at ANY point this is what every customer who wants a loan be forced to use it NO!
    Two Australia belongs to the aboriginals so unless any-one here is an aboriginal you should not be talking about how this is our country and how we shouldn’t adapt for other people because this isn’t your country

    • Spoken like a true aboriginal.. White man settled here in 1788, yes it was opressive and yes unjust to aboriginals but , this race was not strong enough to repel the white settlers.
      Game over, don’t be pissed off move forward this is our… YES OUR country, and if you think you had it bad under white settlers then you haven’t seen nothing compared to the oppression and barbaric ways of the Muslims and Islamic sharia law!!!
      Wake up to yourself stop living in the past and move forward!

    • I immigrated (waiting in queue, not queue jumping) to Australia, since I expected Australian values and culture NOT f**king Iran or Saudi Arabia.

  6. No Sharia law in Australia, closing my NAB accounts tomorrow, the people of Australia need to riot and scream at our spineless pollies, these intruders can adapt to our laws, not us to theirs.

  7. This is Australia. All people born here or naturalized are Australian. I was born here and served my country for 12 years as well. One thing I learned in life is that where ever I went I had to respect and adapt to the local way. I have never expected other countries to expcept my ways when abroad so I will say that I do not have to adapt to other nationalities ways. There is no place for Shari'a Law here. It is not our way. If people find that offensive then so be it. We already have a legal system in place. There is way to much political correctness and other forms BS going on already.

    • The River Styx says:

      I agree totally with you Alan. When I lived in a Muslim country there was never any question about them changing for my convenience. It was accept our way or leave. Very simple concept and one we should apply to everyone who comes to our country. Islamic citizens of their own countries don't have a choice either. Live by the Koran or be hung, tortured, flogged or in the case of women raped, stoned and hung- and in that order. No rights at all for them in their own country. They are just taking advantage of our courtesy and tolerance and Christian values. They are users and liars and should never be allowed into our country in the first place.

      • Pork and Ham says:

        Vote out the Politicians that are letting them in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Before they have the numbers to vote in their own!!!!and most importantly Bury a pig bone and let people/media know where!!

        • Why not Slaughter or buy an all ready killed WHOLE pig, and bury it right in the centre of the lot where they are about to build a Mosque. That’s what we did in my country. No Muslims are welcome there. and I am leaving NAB (yes I am sadly with them) to hell with “Sha’ria” rubbish. its has no business in this modern time in the whole planet, never mind Australia. or Britain. (Islam is inimical to the whole of mankind, Arabic people included, I personally know a few concerned Lebanese and a Turkish people… not every person from those places even like it).

    • Lyn Gray says:

      I may have to change banks – I find this a slap in the face. They charge my husband and I interest on our home loan and then slap us for a yearly fee for having that loan. My god I would love to win the lotto – a load of money – just so I could see their faces when I withdraw it from their banks. I am going to see if I can transfer my home loan to someone else and close all dealings with the NAB, this is so wrong.

  8. Freefall says:

    I have no problem with the variety of ways 'Shar'ia' is spelt, for instance, I spell it 'Shite'.

    Works for me.

  9. The River Styx says:

    Anonymous.

    O dear, I know Muslims very well and they laugh at Aussie Mussies as they call you. Mr. Conlon is calling for Sharia law. I can see the blood running down the steps of the Burwood Court House. With your perfect axeman.

    When I lived in a Muslim country most of the citizens were drinkers. Efes beer is the best selling alcoholic drink in Turkey. Rakki is in second place and enjoyed by all. If you hang out in Auburn long enough you will notice one man who owns a Kebab shop on a corner, who is an absolute fool with drink. His son told me so. Many of the hairdressers are drunks, and most of them go to the brothels. I am not telling lies.

    Has your partner had FGM. Absolutely against the law of God our Father in Heaven. If it is natural why did your Allah make all women like this in the first place? Do some of your people who practice Zoophilia also castrate these animals?

    Simply, there are many mistakes in the nature of a human being, the universe is a perfect creation.

    Czechs I have met are not usually following your cult and it was not your cult who gave your freedom from the USSR was it? It was the Czech people. Mostly Christian. However we know from some of the most horrendous atrocities perpetrated on the innocent Russian children, and the imprisonment of those people in the theatre in Russia were both carried out by your perfect bunch of terrorists.

    You will be defeated.

  10. Australia will be better off with Shariah law implemented. No alcohol, no drugs, no illegal sexual acts that cause all types of diseases, women would have modesty and would cover themselves and not walk around naked therefore men wouldn't be tempted to use another woman and cheat on their spouses, and most of all everybody would be pure and recognize their Creator Who brings them to life in the first place. There's much much more that would benefit the society as a whole ! Take a look at how many Aussies are becoming Muslim, and not because their 'brainwashed' but because they are the true Islam and not the Islam but the media feeds you which is full of lies. And In case your wondering, I'm not an Arab, I'm from the Czech Republic, but have lived here since I was young so basically I'm what u call an 'aussie' , and I became a Muslim at the age of 18 and it was MY Choice. Have a look at the way you live your life, isn't there ANY purpose to it at all? Take a look around at the Universe, the animals, nature and even the air you breathe ! Look at the perfect creation of a human being ! This did not all come about by chance or by evolution or by science, it is God who Created it all and for those who don't see this have eyes and a heart that are blinded.

    • Freefall says:

      Anonymous old son, if you do not like what you see here, then hop in your canoe and paddle off to somewhere that has all that you desire.

      • Love it x
        But also ‘Anonymous old son’ my personal form of sharia for men that are unable to control themselves or ” therefore men wouldn’t be tempted to use another woman and cheat on their spouses” would be ..mm … how to say this without being deleted …turn them into eunuchs – perfect.
        Women are not the source of disease, WOMEN are the source of LIFE, You would not exist but for a woman ‘old son’ – I love that Freefall its so Aussie –
        The last I read it was the stone age when people actually realized it was ‘the act of sexual intercourse’ that made babies not some god.

        So when it all comes down to whats what and whats not …. Your not living in your own country/countries enjoying your sharia laws because no one in your country/countries can commit to what your laws actually are, because you make it up as you go along.

        You move into our civilized worlds trying to drag it back into the dark ages. If it weren’t for our christian advances and technologies you would still be rubbing sticks together to make a fire.

        You conquer countries giving people the choice of converting to islam or die.
        Omg I can hardly wait.

        You rewrite their history as if allah (may God strike him dead and send him to hell) was always their only god ….. Just like your islamic buddies and forefathers did when they began their evil slave trading which is still in operation I might add.

        This is our soil under your feet
        This is our country
        This is our flag
        These are our laws …. like it or lump it.
        Dont give me any sharishyte

        Let me send you 50 bucks old son, for an outboard motor.
        and that goes for you too Ms mohomad

    • Common Sense says:

      Alhamdullilah, couldn't agree more. Fellow Czech revert…. Born in Australia, was Christian for 28 years and let me tell you (coming from someone who has lived both sides of the fence) just look at the facts of Islamic Law. The whole purpose for these loans is so that one knows upfront what they are paying for the term of the loan. Think all of you how big the stress would be on all Australian's if the interest rate went up to 10%. An average loan of $500,000 will increase by approx $300 p/w.

    • Common Sence says:

      If yo ucan afford that, great and you probably wouldn't be too concered reading these posts. I will just remind you of the basic outcomes that usually follows on from stress to make ends meet financially: Mother needing to return to work and put kids in childcare, forced to sell their homes, husband looks for overtime or a second job which means less time with the family and depression, people start thinking of stupid ways to make money, causes fights and tension in the home/separation & divorce rates further increase. Peoples, this list goes on and on… Take the religious aspect out of this and look at the facts of why it is more healthier for everyone to consider the reason's behind it. You know upfront what your weekly/fortnightly/monthly repayments are and is not dictated by the Banks or econimic situation.. Even before I became a Muslim, I was looking at avenue's of Islamic loans & common sense of the structure and principle behind it. Problem is these days, common sense is not so common. Lets hope for you people who disagree with this concept that interest rates don't ever spike back up to 18% as they have done many years ago.. Would be interesting to see how much you would be hating on the banks then!

  11. The Kuta Kid says:

    Yeah. It would be interesting to know just how much these bludgers get from our our system. I could/can not live off the dole, but these idle-ators seem like they are not wanting at all. someone told me they get in the vicinity of $1000-$1200 per fortnight if married and one or two kids. thats good money for nothing. Hey! we would get half that.

    Vote these current politicians out.

    get people whocare about Australia in.

  12. Appeasement is hand feeding a crocodile hoping your the last thing it eats (Winston Churchill) third world immigration is killing Europe, some of the most horrific crimes go un reported, committed by them …political correctness is hampering our police force…its not just the third world the east Europeans come in droves refuse to integrate undermine the jobs market cheat the benefits system, and are mainly employed in the black economy…and have made some towns in eastern England no go areas for the indigenous population…..i used to like them but now i see them as invaders….without a nationalist government i can see Australia going the same way

  13. Disgusting okk

  14. fletcher says:

    Yes the Stupid bloody NAB again are doing what is a national tradegy.

    Sharia finance 2.5pct goes to Charities that support Terror groups.

    Who every inside the NAB has thought this a good idea has not read or looked at the websites about ISLAM.

    What a disgrace and shame. This makes me sick

    • i wasnt born muslim i turned and its the best desision i have ever made
      When America takes 1 million lives in iraq for oil:
      Not terrorism.
      When Russia kill 200,000 chechens in land:
      Not terrorism.
      When jew kick out Palestinian and take their land:
      Not terrorism.
      When America drones kill entire family Afghanistan/Pakistan.
      Not terrosrism.
      When Israel kills 10,000 Labanese civillian due to 2 missing soldiers:
      Not terrorism.
      When Muslims retaliate and show you how you treat us:
      "" Terrorism"

      It seems Like the word terrorism is only reserved for muslims.so f*** u d***h***

      • The River Styx says:

        That is correct and your sheiks love having control of the oil, but you lot never get any benefit from it. From the hundred of billions of dollars raked in by them every year. Hahahah. You all live in poverty in their kingdoms. Then come to Australia and demand what we have worked for. You are terrorists within countries and within families. You live in a perpetual situation of fear.

        And f*** u 2 Mrs Mohomad. You shallow, stupid woman. Jews were in Israel for ten thousand years before your religion was ever dreamed up over a hasish pipe in the Arabian desert. Fool.

        No one in your cult wrote one word in the bible. You call Abraham your father, yeah well he did try to murder his son and that is very Muslim like, but today it is daughters they murder. Fool. And you do belong to a blood cult. And you were more than likely of the same blood as the Jewish nation. You are all being conned.

        You cant be blamed for the sins of your parents, but you have free will and you can change at any time. Cant you?????

  15. Hey :)))))) the only racist is you and the National Australia Bank. It seems that these people are rewarded with easier paying loans then we are. We also have troubles financially but people like you could not care less. Racism is when someone is treated differently then someone else, whether White Black Yellow Green or whatever. National Australia Bank are treating everybody else differently to Muslims. Just like Aboriginals are getting it easier also. Just like Women get it easier, Just like and it keeps going. So you should wake up to yourself. The costs of these little excises fall back onto us hard working people and we simply can not do it any longer, because now we are starving and sinking all because some poor little person who refuses to work or some greedy politician or someone else steals our money and then screams racism, when they know damn well we are within our right to complain if someone decides that we have to pay without our approval. We have a right to complain when it is White Australians, especially White Males who are the most discriminated against. You are the racist. Just the other day i saw an ad on the internet for a job but the person wants an Indian to work for him. Since this person is being racist then it only fair that i should advertise that i only want a White person to work for me, is that correct or are you going to come up with some deluded way of not accepting that what is happening is in fact racist, but racist to White people not the other way around.

    • The River Styx says:

      You would never get away with it. Nice try.

      If anyone in Australia is fool enough to be sucked in by this travesty I will remind them that if they default on their loan, under Sharia you may lose your paying out of money hand. Stupid gits.

  16. :)))))))) says:

    I think you are bunch of racist poeple – wake up – open your eyes – except the Aboriginal people – we are all migrants to this country. How much skilled migrants contributed to this country''s economy. Without these skilled migrants Australia wouldnt be where it is today.

    • Learn how to read – this discussion was NOT about skilled migrants. I am a skilled migrant and I know what I did for this country without your reminder. For those who yet to learn how to read- this discussion was about an advancement of some radical ideology that is absolutely incompatibile with western democracy. Some citizens have well founded concerns about such sociopolitical trend and discuss it in this blog.
      PS: "racism" – belief in a superiority of a particular race. There was nothing to suggest racism in this discussion.

    • Sorry :)))))))), I lashed at you. I apologise. There is no excuse for my rudeness.

    • Warung Discussion says:

      Bulls**t. I was born here.

  17. Why worry about what someone like leoN says he has taken your eyes off the ball. Lets stop all this nonense taking over our way of life then we can sling off at each other and enjoy it as it used to be in OUR way of life.

    Ask any Muslim they will tell you that they believe in tolerance, because the Koran teaches you, from my personal experience that is a LIE!
    I have lived within a Muslim community and know that most of the people cannot read the Koran, they learn it by rote.
    When couples who were not married to each other had an affair and were found out, they paid a fine/bribe to the local mosque and on I could go with stories from there.

  18. BUNDESPOPEL says:

    I am going to join the party.
    It is home for everyone loving this country.

  19. …..have just linked to this site………..was surprised and pleased . I have been following the bnp progress in england over the past couple of months………and was surprised to find out the movement is underway in Australia. About time too………and god bless all you good people.

  20. shariah banking………what next……..shariah courts? apparently there are 200 or so in England already………

  21. The National Australia Bank should be boycotted, as well as any other bank that wants to introduce Shariah Banking.

  22. Punish the traitor bank, don't do any buisness with them

  23. And muslims are not allowed to lie to us either? oh wait a sec, they are REQUIRED to if it furthers I-slam.

    Women Genital mutilation (96% of muslim women in Indonesia)
    Beheading
    Stoning
    Gang raping
    racism
    intollerance towards the Jewish people
    Intollerance towards the Christian people
    Intollerance towards ANYONE not of I-slam
    World domination
    genocide
    cruelty towards animals (slit throats and bleed out)
    pedophilia

    need the list to continue, because you racist so and so, it can.

    And you have the gall to say the word bigot and moron?

    I-slam is the religon of satan and mohammad is his biatch.

    • The Kuta Kid says:

      agreed

    • My world says:

      You ediot George !!! have your gone out of your mind, think a while before you comment.

      Let me tell about your religion accomplishments:

      Majority of your womens are whores or bitches
      Intellorance towards muslims
      Killed millions of innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, chechanya, bosnia and other countries
      killed thousands in Japan (Atomic Bomb)
      False flags to invade and destroy countries
      genocide, gang rapes in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria
      Control and dominate muslim countries
      destroy country who challenges you
      racism with muslims and now with blacks
      and many more

  24. A young Aussie guy was complaining yesterday over the amount of Muslims that have taken over his area here in Perth, 'What the f*** happened?' he asked. I gave him this websites address.

  25. I am not sure why there is a large debate raging in regards to spelling and apostrophes, considering the the main message in this article is about banking. With regards to all you who are so wrapped up in their racist ways and ideologies that you do not realise that your comments actually make your party (if you are members of this party) seem like a racist, red-neck society. Maybe you should open your eyes and realise that Australia is a mutlicultural society, and the truth is that the Caucasians are also immigrants as this country and the land belongs to the Aboriginals. So maybe people who are in a glass house should not be the ones throwing rocks, especially those debating about multiculturalism.
    Secondly, the majority of true muslims are not trying to rage a jihad on you. So maybe you should educate yourself first on what Islam is and what their principles are before you get onto the world podium and make a fool of your self with you racism, your narrow-mind and your concepts and ideologies of freedom.
    Shariah banking will work very well for NAB, as it will increase its market share and customers, and the bank makes its money and the customer gets what is required, without any fine print. Furthermore, before you begin another debate about anything that is stated here, I suggest that you first educate yourself from the right sources and then take out the racism from your ideologies and begin your comment. Shariah banking will work well as most the powerful economic nations undertake most of their financial transactions in such manner and provides individuals with choice, competition and most importantly tolerance for their culture, ideologies and beliefs. And Jacqui, please educate yourself from something else other than you-tube.

    • I would suggest YOU educate yourself; Under the 'Human rights for indigenous peoples' from the United Nations…'No indigenous race is EVER to be colonised ever again'
      The fact that you and the left winged traitor above wish for Muslims to colonize Australia only re-inforces your bigotry.
      Have YOU asked the Aboriginies if they wish to be colonized by Muslims? Of course not.
      In future just stick to the greens or labor website, you obviously have more in common with their geoncidal plans that we have.

      • Warung Discussion says:

        Yeahhh. IF islam gets control you can say GOODBYE to our Aboriginal People. God bless them. Islam will enslave and kill them off.

    • Comment – You seem to be labouring under some misapprehensions: this country now belongs to the citizens of Australia. It is OUR land and we have the RIGHT to decide who comes here. Aborigines do not own this land by themselves; instead they share in its ownership with other citizens, like myself. Traditional Aborigines have never owned Australia because they had no concept of land ownership.

      As for Islam, I really think you should go and find out what the religion of Islam teaches. If you do you will find out that one of the principles of Islam is JIHAD which is obligatory upon every Muslim. Islam is not a religion of peace but a religion of submission to Allah. It is your "true Muslims" who turn to violence and Jihad. For the uninitiated a good place to learn about Islam and its inherent dangers to the West is: http://www.jihadwatch.com

      As for Shariah Banking, whether it is successful or not is beside the point. What it represents is the encroachment of a mediaeval legal system into our financial system. You can be sure that this won't be the end of it: Banking one day, Stonings the next.

      • As usual excellent comment BK!
        By the way 'comment' this is from an ABORIGINAL co-worker of mine; We won't survive this (Islamic/multiculturlsim) first they'll get rid of your lot (whites) then they'll come after us. It's the land they want.'
        You going to call this guy a 'waycist' too you little nasty left winged genocidal creep?
        Go drown yourself and do the world a favour or stick another needle in your arm, the greens in Perth (Giz Watson) wanted to hand out the drug 'ice' free to users.
        You'd do well in her line of thinking.

      • Freefall says:

        Well done BK.

        For the the ill-informed. 'Indigenous' is defined by Webster's Dictionary of the English Language UNABRIDGED. (1979, page 931) as; 'Born in a country, native'. From the Old Latin 'indugignere.

        This is where the PC Lefties and their apologists have deliberately got it wrong from the start, and subsequently based all their arguments on their flawed, self-serving definition.

        Look it up.

    • We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is thereligion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

      The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march… It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

      The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous..

      tbc

    • Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China ’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

      The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

      And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?

      History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:

      Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.

      tbc

    • Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

      Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts — the fanatics who threaten our way of life.
      tbc

    • continued… look at the evidence. If you were trained as a lawyer – remember the subject called "Evidence and civil procedure" from your law course. Apply your knowledge – see what evidence is admissible if you were to put this discussion in the Court. If you are scientist- – you would trust RCT- randomised controlled trial that is. See what evidence you would accept as valid one. Imagine the issue discussed here being a subject for scientific research. When you see everything clearly, you do not have to apologise for calling APP morons. You have to be thanked for exercise of wisdom, for joining the ranks of those who care to save their country. Good luck. good place to get evidence from http://www.islammonitor.org/

    • David Hambly says:

      My question to this is simple and has nothing to do with racism. If it's available to one then it should be available to all. The only racism here is one sector of the community is being offered a service that is refused to the rest based solely on their personal ideology.

    • The Kuta Kid says:

      Listen matey. Listen closely. YOU are giving away our way of life. No good EVER came from islam. not for non islamics.

  26. This is to all the left winged traitors that like to call us 'waycist'
    Twenty years ago whilst completing my chef's apprenticeship Ramsey, my Lebannese kitchenhand told me this; 'Never ever let a Muslim into your country. First they come in small numbers then they grow and grow and they want more and more until they rule your life. My country Lebonon was the Paris of the Middle East, now look at it, it's a s***hole. I used to be an acountant, now I'm washing your dishes.'
    I didn't know what a Muslim was back in the 80's and being young and and carefree I must admit, didn't pay too much attention to those wise words.
    In 2001 I certainly learnt what a Muslim was when my Australian friend was screaming into his mobile phone from the roof of Tower One in New York; "I can't breathe anymore'
    So kiss my ass you bunch of wanker, traitors. I hope you all feel the sting of your 'enrichment' that you have forced upon us very soon.

    • The River Styx says:

      A late reply for you Mike and you are perfecty, perfectly correct. Because a younger generation has had everything handed to them for no effort on their part, they think it will always be this way.

      We are worse off today than we were back in the sixties. We could buy a block of land, and build a half house or temporary dwelling on it and finish building as we had the cash money and usually owned our homes in five to ten years. Home and hosed.

      This generation will lose it all so quickly if they are not careful and women will be the worst affected and we gained so much by the efforts of our mothers and our grandmothers. Young women now try to out drive, out sex, out drink their male counterparts and many have lost all dignity. Its all about balance between men and women we both have our own specific skills, strengths and weaknesses. We must compromise. It is not a war. Not a good look girls. Nothing so pitiful as a drunken women.

      And you are not all like that either. I am speaking of what we won and what you will lose.

  27. The intoduction of “shariah” banking is part of the agenda for Islam to fight their so-called holy jihad as qoated by one of the Muslim leaders. This money will be used to fund a system that supports pedophiles, terrorism, no human rights or individual freedom. Watch –

  28. Noel Benjamin shows himself to be ignorant as well as a bigot.

    He calls APP “morons” and says that ” Sharia is spelt without an apostrophe denoting the possesive case”. Then he mouths off with nasty comments about APP people having “feeble brains” for supposedly not understanding the English language, followed by more prejudice and bigotry when he says “Why is it that only the weak in mind are attracted to your party.”

    Dear, oh dear. Noel has shown himself to be a bit stupid.
    Shari’a is meant to be spelt “shari’a” (there are other variations too).
    Wikipedia’s dictionary says “The term sharia itself derives from the verb “shara’a”, which according to Abdul Mannan Omar’s “Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an” connects to the idea of “system of divine law; way of belief and practice”.”
    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Sharia

    You’ll notice that there is an apostrophe in Qur’an as well.
    The apostrophe in “Shari’a” is not a possessive apostrophe. The same applies to “Qur’an”. There are other uses for apostrophes. Look it up.

    Noel also finishes his last line without a question mark, where correct English would demand one in the context of his sentence.

    So, in the end, Noel should be directing comments about “morons” and “feeble brains” to himself instead.

    Anyone can be forgiven a typo (that’s “typographical error” to you, Noel), but when – in your ignorance – you berate others because you think you have a better education than them, that just shows arrogance and nastiness.

    In doing so, you have revealed your own stupidity.
    You’ve also shown yourself to be prejudiced, as well as a bigot – like so many multiculturalists are.
    It’s funny because it’s true.

  29. Nicholas Folkes says:

    Noel you are the moron. We are well aware of the richness of the English langauage and culture and the need to protect it against fools like you. It seems to me that you know all about the “weak” as you are one of them. Don’t worry, the Australian Protectionist party will be registered soon and then we can start representing Australians in Parliament while you represent your Commie mates down at bordello.

    Noel, you are just another feeble white liberal. The rate of decline in Australia due to third world immigration and multi-culturalism will put more people out of work and dispalce Australians. When you lose your job because some feeble politician in Canberra decided that a third world migrant is worth more than you, then maybe you will realise that you have been brainwashed and yes, you are the fool.

  30. Noel Benjamin says:

    Morons. Sharia is spelt without an apostrophe denoting the possesive case. It’s a shame that the richness of the English language has escaped your feeble brains.
    Why is it that only the weak in mind are attracted to your party.

  31. little by little they hack at us, but when the hacks are counted at the end of the day, the tree may fall

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