KOGARAH TOWN SQUARE
Friday, March 4 at 5pm
PROTEST AGAINST –
*KOGARAH COUNCIL’s ANTI-AUSTRALIAN ANTI-DEMOCRATIC COUNCILLORS
* CHINESE CULTURAL HEGEMONY
* HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES IN CHINA and TIBET
*THE BRUCE LEE STATUE
The council and the Unity Party is intent on making Kogarah a satellite city of Communist China !!!
KOGARAH IS LOSING ITS AUSTRALIAN IDENTITY!!!
Contact Ironbarkjack@gmail.com for details.
There are many patriotic Australians who'd turn up at a protest, but have to work or are in another state. It doesn't mean they'd never vote for the APP. As for ONE NATION only pulling in 10% of votes, that was pretty good going for a relatively new party and the third world really hadn't invaded back then to the extent it has now. I wonder if ONE NATION had started up now with public dicord, and with the same media attention Hanson originally got, how many pissed off Australians would vote for her? Far more than the previous 10% I should think. We whites know now we are being wipped out as a race of people and it is deliberate, the fact that it is happening from America to Europe and now to Australia and New Zealand cannot be just a co-incidence, this has been planned years ago and the stupid white far left, drunk with the promises of money and power for doing this bidding are only fooling themselves if they think they and their families will escape when our Holocaust truely takes off. All it would take is a tipping point where one ethnic group would outnumber us, they start their own political party…then wham! We've lost running Australia forever. And given the amount of racial hatred that already exists for Whites, aided by the left winged media, such as channel 10 and SBS who just love to potray whites as demons incarnate, then you have a new racial group now in charge of your lives, who have been brainwashed into already hating you. History has also shown that ethnic minorities usually get exterminated anyway throughout human history so unfortuneatly, the white and possibly Aboriginal children born today, will pay most dearly for the white far left's betrayal of their own race of people. It's as simple as that.
"There are many patriotic Australians who’d turn up at a protest, but have to work or are in another state."
This is proof that the vast majority of Australians don't want multiculturalism? "We have the numbers, they're just in hiding!"
Whenever a rally occurs in support of multiculturalism, or against racism, whatever the state, the numbers the number of people who turn up to an anti-multiculturalism rally to the tune of at least 10 to 1. So I repeat….where is your proof that the majority of Australians do not want multiculturalism?
" It doesn’t mean they’d never vote for the APP."
True, low turn out at rallies doesn't mean the APP won't get votes. Low turn out in voting booths determines that (All far right parties votes combined are less than the far left's-the socialist alliance, let alone the Greens and Labor parties).
"As for ONE NATION only pulling in 10% of votes, that was pretty good going for a relatively new party"
It was a protest vote against a Liberal government that was unpopular. The Liberal party was disliked because of the GST, but there were some people who despite hatred of the GST, couldn't vote for Labor. So they went for One Nation. Once hatred for the GST went down, so did the vote for One Nation.
That's what far right parties do-dilute the conservative vote and make it easier for the Labor party to win.
"and the third world really hadn’t invaded back then to the extent it has now. "
But One Nation continued to ocntest elections after 1998, and that's when it's vote fell to nothing. Are you saying that, in your words the "Third world invasion" dipped back to nothing in the period between 1998 and 2010?
"I wonder if ONE NATION had started up now with public dicord, and with the same media attention Hanson originally got, how many pissed off Australians would vote for her Far more than the previous 10% I should think."
But One Nation still exists as a party. It ran in the last election in quite a number of seats. It's not connected to Hanson, and therefore free from her bad rep, yet still has the one of the greatest remembered party names. Yet it's constantly failed to make it to 2%, yet alone 10%.
" We whites know now we are being wipped out as a race of people and it is deliberate, the fact that it is happening from America to Europe and now to Australia and New Zealand cannot be just a co-incidence, this has been planned years ago"
Oh goody-a conspiracy! Please tell me who's behind the secret elimination of all white people, please oh please let me know. Was it the Psychologists? The Jews? The Muslims? The Secret lizard people who turn into human forms? Which evil villian have you imagined in your fantasy?
" and the stupid white far left, drunk with the promises of money and power for doing this bidding are only fooling themselves if they think they and their families will escape when our Holocaust truely takes off."
So, who's paying the drunk left? Who's controlling the left wing? Come on-let us know who the real villian is.
" All it would take is a tipping point where one ethnic group would outnumber us, they start their own political party…then wham We’ve lost running Australia forever. "
Gosh, remember when we were scared of the Catholics? Or the southern Europeans? They were going to take over too. Hell, the Chinese were "just about" to take over for longer than Federation. But they never seem to. Or are you the sort of person who doesn't trust the Italians either?
"And given the amount of racial hatred that already exists for Whites,"
I've never faced it. Where's your evidence of the large amount of racial hatred that exists for whites?
" aided by the left winged media, such as channel 10 and SBS who just love to potray whites as demons incarnate,"
In which cases does channel 10 (Currently owned by James Pakcer, who according to you is Left wing now…interesting), and SBS portray whites as demons incarnate (your words)? Please give specific examples.
" then you have a new racial group now in charge of your lives, who have been brainwashed into already hating you."
So, there's a secret organisation that controls all left wing people, is funding the extermination of all white people, and brainwashing all non-white people to hate white people….is that it? Is it the Lizard people? It has to be the lizard people, right?
"History has also shown that ethnic minorities usually get exterminated anyway throughout human history"
That confused me….you seem to say that the exterminsation of ethnic minorities is a predestined event, but surely, as there are many ethnic minorities in Australia alone, yet no extermination, this must not be true.
" so unfortuneatly, the white and possibly Aboriginal children born today, will pay most dearly for the white far left’s betrayal of their own race of people. It’s as simple as that."
Yes, children. It's as simple as a conspiracy theory involving a secret organisation (or person….you didn't say which), plotting the extermination of all white people throguh control of the media, all left wing people, and brainwashing of all non-whites. It's as simple as a secret organisation with super powers.
I've been attacked twice now by AFrican gangs who told me that 'Australia was their country now" add that to the growing number of racist attacks against whites, especially here in Perth and yes we have a case. Obviously you have not studied history either in regards to minority races being exterminated by other ethnic races, as for the racism directed at whites by the media, once again, open your eyes and ears, otherwise don't bother commentating, perhaps your comments would be better on a far left winged website such as the Greens or Labor. I really can't be bothered replying anymore to your insane comments as you obviously have a problem acknowledging facts. Anyway wait another 5-10 years and we'll see if I am right or wrong.
So, shall we start with the stuff you didn't (or couldn't) answer? Yes, I think we shall:
where is your proof that the majority of Australians do not want multiculturalism?
Who is behind and in control of this secret conspiracy to wipe out all white people, by brainwashing all nonwhites, and bribing and getting all lefties drunk? Come on-who's the grand villian of the piece?
In which cases does channel 10, and SBS portray whites as demons incarnate (your words)? Please give specific examples. Funny how whenever you ask for specific examples of bias, they can't be found, isn't it? It's like the emperor's new clothes of the political world-the bias is so clear, but you have to be the right person to see it.
Now let's start with your largely irrelevent response:
"the growing number of racist attacks against whites, especially here in Perth and yes we have a case"
Source that there is a growing number of racist attacks against whites, especially in Perth. Any source at all please.
"Obviously you have not studied history either in regards to minority races being exterminated by other ethnic races,"
Just pointing out, that is it's natural, as you are suggesting that all ethnic groups kill off minority groups, then why do we have minority groups in Australia? We haven't committed a holocaust here.
" as for the racism directed at whites by the media, once again, open your eyes and ears, otherwise don’t bother commentating,"
So you're saying: "YES THE BIAS EXISTS-I CAN'T NAME WHERE AND WHEN, OR GIVE ANY SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, BUT YOU JUST CAN'T SEE IT!"
You did miss the point of the emperor's new clothes story, didn't you? You do know the emperor was the fool in that story.
And come up with specific exmaples of SBS making white people out to be "demons incarnate" or you stop commentating.
" perhaps your comments would be better on a far left winged website such as the Greens or Labor. "
Good to hear free thought is treated so well here. A simple questioning of your beliefs is responded to with "Go away-I don't want to listen to you. I don't need to think about what I'm saying"
Isn't the point of a democracy to have your views challenged? Otherwise we get fascism.
"I really can’t be bothered replying anymore to your insane comments as you obviously have a problem acknowledging facts. "
Where have you mentioned any facts? Or are these more secret facts, kept secret by the secret organisation that makes lefties drunk, and owns Channel 10 and SBS.
"Anyway wait another 5-10 years and we’ll see if I am right or wrong."
And about 10 years ago you'd be saying:
"Just you wait, these Muslims are going to take over in 5-10 years"
20 years ago you'd be saying
"Just you wait, these Eastern Europeans will be invading our country in 5-10 years"
30 years ago you'd be saying
"Just you wait, these Asians will be invading our country in 5-10 years"
In 50 years ago you'd be saying
"These Greeks and Italians, they're going to take over our country in 5-10 years"
80 years ago you'd be saying
"These Jews, they're going to be invading our country in 5-10 years"
etc, etc, etc
But I'm sure this time….this time your apocalyptic announcement is correct. I mean, you have so much evidence of this…..don't you?
WOW DUDE! Thank you for confirming my belief that even from a geographically educated standpoint, you're party is as thick as two short planks.
Do you know how big Africa is? It's like telling me a European tried to stab you with a boxcutter made in Asia imported in on a South American ship. All big places with vast ethnic backgrounds! Specify? Were they white South Africans, Nigerian? Kenyan? Egyptian? I bet if an Egyptian stabbed you, you would be up in arms about a Pakistani man stabbing you? Would you tell the difference? Does it even matter to you? I know it doesn't at that's why I'm not going near any of these points. I merely want to say that you sound ill educated. If you really want to get your point across, do your party a favour and do some research. They obviously won't do it for you!
Hana…you're comment serves to outline your complete ignorance of the problems that imported African gangs now pose to Australians generally. May I suggest you do some research into this very significant problem that has been swept under the carpet by various state governments.
While in the main, the Muslim African is the star performer for criminality and violent episodes wherever he settles, and are usually those who have emigrated from such 'enlightened' places as Ghana, Sudan and Somalia, three of the most dysfunctional states within Africa, there are other Africans who have migrated here and have settled peacefully and without any trouble. They are also generally Christian.
You try to denigrate Mike's concerns as a non issue bias from a non-thinking person who generalizes rather than identifies his antagonists. Yet you then go on and do the same generalizing by intimating that the APP as a party, is also representative of that type of thinking.
Maybe Mike doesn't know from which failed state his African attackers came from. Suffice it to say though, and generally speaking, Africa is a failed nation with many failed states that are inhabited by races of Arabs, and branches of the Negroe race.
Who cares from which failed state out of the failed African continent Mike's attackers hail from! They were black and they were African and that is all that needs to be known to be able to issue a warning!
Mike….don't fall for JM's baits, ignore him. He is not here to enlighten the conversation he is only here to deride those of us who can see a problem where he cannot.
JM. You pull Mike up in his generalisation concerning multiculturalism yet in trying to win a point you resort to the same generalising. I might also ask you where you get the figure of 10 to 1 and your proof that Mike is wrong?
Your assertion that One Nation received a protest vote is false as the Howard government won the GST election at the expense of the Labor Party. And One Nations vote diminished due to the infighting and several scandals that erupted out of that party. There is still one million voters out there who are looking for a voice that they lost when One Nation imploded.
You have labelled One Nation a 'far right' party, your connotation as 'far right' meaning that One Nation was extreme or radical. What policies that One Nation proposed could be considered radical or extreme. Please explain?
While One Nation may exist as a political party it has lost any relevance with most disaffected voters who consider Liberal/Labor/Greens/Nationals as not worth voting for.
While only Western nations invite people from the many nations of Earth to emigrate into their lands the majority of nations do not reciprocate, and in fact, most do not allow whites to become citizens. I guess you need to ask yourself why only the stupid white man would wish to commit cultural suicide. Conspiracy to genocide? Is it coincidence that all white nations adopted multiculturalism at the same time while those nations who may be considered racist, and that is under the current understanding of the term, chose not to sign on?
And on racism against the white man. Do you believe that racism is only a white man's burden and it doesn't affect other races?
You demand examples of who is behind the Wests decline without seeming to be willing to accommodate the reasoning and the factors as to why this has been allowed to occur. Do you not recognize that the APP, a grass roots movement, has come into existence due to the very perceptions that you seem to dismiss.
Why not do your own research? You could start with the United Nations and its role in hobbling western nations into poverty. Why not then read the Lima Declaration and find out why we no longer have a manufacturing base in this country?
"Mike….don’t fall for JM’s baits, ignore him. He is not here to enlighten the conversation he is only here to deride those of us who can see a problem where he cannot."
Yet another person missing the point of Emperor's New Clothes:
"Don't worry Mike-he might think you're naked, but I can see your clothes, because they're amazing!"
"JM. You pull Mike up in his generalisation concerning multiculturalism yet in trying to win a point you resort to the same generalising."
Where od I do that? All I have asked for is further explanation and proof from Mike, and all members here, specifically that the majority of Australians do not want multiculturalism. No one yet has provided it. I also asked for Mike to give evidence of his outlandish views that there is a secret organisation attempting to eradicate all white people.
" I might also ask you where you get the figure of 10 to 1 and your proof that Mike is wrong?"
Well here'sa few examples of failures:
http://media.theage.com.au/national/national-news… http://melbourne-leader.whereilive.com.au/photos/…
That was the Melbourne rally-300 against racism compared to less than 10 who turned up. Do you have the evidence of a succesful rally of people against multiculturalism, immigration, and/or islam?
"Your assertion that One Nation received a protest vote is false as the Howard government won the GST election at the expense of the Labor Party."
And received a lower primary vote, and less than 50% of the two party preferred vote in doing so(Coalition: 49.02%, Labour: 50.98%). Why? Because the liberals lost a lote of votes over the GST on both the far right and the moderates. Surely you remember that the Liberals, though winning, did it while being the lesser preferred party. Check the AEC website if you don't believe me. Or any electoral history of Australia.
And I repeat-there has been other One Nation parties since then, and the party itself has some of the greatest name recognition there is….yet it has always failed. If they do appeal to a wide selection of the population, why does this party fail to get anywhere near even extreme left wing political groups?
" And One Nations vote diminished due to the infighting and several scandals that erupted out of that party."
Well, it didn't help much, but One Nation's infighting really started in 2000-they had two elections between 1998 and 2000, in victoria and NSW. In both their vote was continuing to drop, and in Victoria was less than 1%.
" There is still one million voters out there who are looking for a voice that they lost when One Nation imploded."
Which would, considering Australia has a population over over 22m people mean these voters make up an entire 4.5% of the population. Meaning they're less popular than they were in 1998, and still definately not a majority.
So I repeat-where is your evidence that the majority of Australians are against multiculturalism?
"You have labelled One Nation a ‘far right’ party, your connotation as ‘far right’ meaning that One Nation was extreme or radical."
Also stupid. I mean, their' finace idea "Print more money" was utterly ludicrous-you do know that, right?
" What policies that One Nation proposed could be considered radical or extreme. Please explain?"
One Nation proposed policies? I thought they were too busy saying "Asians go home", "No hand out for Aborigines" and "Bring back semi-automatics" Oh….and "Let's print more money-that will solve everything!
"While One Nation may exist as a political party it has lost any relevance with most disaffected voters who consider Liberal/Labor/Greens/Nationals as not worth voting for."
How so? Last time I checked it's still as conservative as it was before. What has the "New" One Nation done to make it so undesirable for the Australian voters?
"While only Western nations invite people from the many nations of Earth to emigrate into their lands the majority of nations do not reciprocate, and in fact, most do not allow whites to become citizens. I guess you need to ask yourself why only the stupid white man would wish to commit cultural suicide."
How are we committing cultural suicide? No one is trying to eliminate my culture, preventing me from going to church, or in fact trying to change my life at all. Please tell me, using specific examples, how your culture has been directly effected by any migrant.
"Conspiracy to genocide? Is it coincidence that all white nations adopted multiculturalism at the same time while those nations who may be considered racist, and that is under the current understanding of the term, chose not to sign on?"
So….your evidence of Miek's grand conspiracy involving the brain washing of all non-whites to hate whites, the bribing and control of all lefties, and at least two news networks is….it can't just be a coincidence. That's your evidence?
Except it can. Coincidences occur all the time, or didn't you realise that? Especially considering the multiculturalism pursued in other countries around the world is radically different than what is being pursued in Australia. The only country whose multiculturalism resembles Australia would be America, where it was less a case of "Let's take over the white race and destroy it" and more a case of "Hey-there's a whole range of cultures. Let's stop pretending they don't exist"
"And on racism against the white man. Do you believe that racism is only a white man’s burden and it doesn’t affect other races?"
No. Of course not. What a silly question. Anyone can be racist. But I don't find any Asian, Muslim or Aboriginal Australian parties declaring that all white people should be financially encouraged to leave. Do you?
"You demand examples of who is behind the Wests decline without seeming to be willing to accommodate the reasoning and the factors as to why this has been allowed to occur."
Please demonstrate to me the reasoning. Please show me the factors. Or…you know…just give me some proof this is actually happening, and not just the rantings of a madman. You say I need to see the reasoning, but what you really mean is "You need to think like me….then it will be obvious" Or, more clearly "If you blindly accept point a, b, and c, you'll naturally agree with me that d" Except the world doesn't work that way. You don't go to a police station and ask the police to think like you to arrest a person. ou want to say that there's a terrible conspiracy attempting to wipe out all white people-get some evidence. That's how the world works.
I didn't just mention Lizard people to discredit the beliefs, I'm just pointing out that noted conspiracy theorist David Icke believed that the world was secretly being ruled by shape-changing lizard people, and despite all the conspiracy's I've found (Many of which I hear from the members of APP), I've yet to find any that have more evidence or proof that the lizard people.
" Do you not recognize that the APP, a grass roots movement, has come into existence due to the very perceptions that you seem to dismiss."
No, the APP came into existence because Hodges didn't particularly like that the head of the Australia First Party might have an Arabic background.
Even if I accept that your organisation has a more noble start than that….so what? I'm meant to believe your wild conspiracies because "Other people who think like me believe them"
As I pointed out, there's a lot of crazy theories, and all of them have followers…usually more followers than the APP. Moon Hoaxers, Zionist conspiracies, Kennedy conspiracies, even David Icke's Lizard People conspiracy theory-all of those have their followers, who believe every word of it.
So, how is your conspiracy any more convincing than David Icke's lizard people conspiracy? I'm sure Icke would say "Do you not realise that my organisation has come into being due to the very perceptions you dismiss?"
"Why not do your own research? "
If I had a dollar for every time I heard that from a member of the APP, I'd buy this website.
The old "Why don't you go around, and find proof for all the things I just said, and tell me I'm right?"
You made the claim, you prove it. Or show to everyone here, that you have no proof of any of the claims made here.
"You could start with the United Nations and its role in hobbling western nations into poverty."
The UN? That's your secret evil world controlling organisation? That's the one that's running channel 9 and SBS?
The same UN that couldn't get slavery banned in Mauritania until 2007?
The same UN that couldn't get the Darfur massacre in any way halted?
The same UN that coudln't stop the War in Iraq?
That's your secret evil overlord? The one that tries hard but always fails to do what it sets out to do? Talk about an anti-climax.
"Why not then read the Lima Declaration and find out why we no longer have a manufacturing base in this country?"
Well, I did read the Lima Declaration. My oh my, I thought all this time the moving of manufacturing overseas was due to big businesses realising they could make items far cheaper overseas with delivery becoming cheaper and cheaper.
But no, I'm sure a document asking for the developing world to be involved only 25% in manufacturing by the year 2000, which was put forward by an organisation that many countries, large and small, choose to ignore when it gets in their way…that's the realy explanation.
No doubt they forced the business owners into accepting ridiculously huge profits in this as well.
So, to sum up:
1) If you want to say that the majority of Australians are against Multiculturalism, you need to prove it
2) If you want to say that there is a majority of voters still interested in One Nation style politics, you need to know what a majority is (One million is not a majority-even if you can still prove it exists)
3)If you want to show that a conspiracy exists, aiming to eradicate all white people, you're going to have to prove that as well.
4) Saying "I believe it, and some other people believe this too, so it must be true" is not proof as virtually all beliefs that there have ever been in the world, including to the point of "The Earth is flat" and "The sun travels around the earth"-all of these have followers, probably more than the APP does.
We understand each other? Good, now let's see if you can provide any evidence for your conspiracies, or are they made up of nothing more than paranoid delusions, and fantastic dreams in response to a mundane world?
JM…it's quiet obvious to me that you are either: 1. Lead a very sheltered life.
2. You only visit this site to stir up those who have genuine concerns for what is happening to our nation.
Your demands that we prove to you our convictions have no merit as a visitor to this site. We who have grown this party from a very small start have done so due to our convictions.
Your lack of comprehension for what is rapidly unfolding around the world, and to which the MSM, and in particular, left wing rags like the Melbourne Age present as news and opinion, is a symptom of wishing to believe the opposite of what is really occurring. It is very obvious to me that by your labelling of One Nation, and the APP, as 'far right' political parties, you are also suffer from of left wing bias.
And one million voters at the time of One Nation's political height, when the nations population was just under 20 million people, was around 14% of the vote, not your derogatory 4.5%.
Like I said in my previous comment, do some research and stop relying on the crap that you get from the left wing MSM.
I also noticed this creep never mentioned the racist hate attack I suffered at the hands of two African gangs, here's hoping this bastard suffers what I did!
Had to giggle at the comment 'Where is your source that whites are being attacked in Perth'?
IT'S ON THE NEWS EVERY DAY YOU BASTARD! AND I SEE IT WITH MY OWN EYES TRAVELLING ON PUBLIC TRANSPORT.
Mike…JM reminds me of the typical lefty who believes he has a superior intellect compared to us 'far right wingers'.
People who visit this site and demand we answer their questions should remember that they are the visitors and should act accordingly.
And it may already be too late for JM to wake up to what is really going on.
There's much to learn from old Bohemians..
In 1419 an angry mob of Hussite peasant rebels stormed the town hall on Charles Square in Prague and threw the judge, the mayor and several city council members (either seven or thirteen; accounts differ) out the window. They all either died in the fall or were killed by the crowd outside.
The event has been the subject of several paintings, as well as being beautifully illustrated in Lego form and also reenacted.
Hussites followed a Christian reformer, Jan Hus, who was one of the forerunners of the Protestant Reformation. Hus was eventually excommunicated and burned as a heretic. The cause of the July 30 riot was the city council’s refusal to release from custody several Hussite prisoners.
The mob, led by the Hussite priest Jan Želivský and future general Jan Žižka, marched to the town hall, but they only became violent after someone inside the building threw a stone at them. After that there was no stopping them.
The riot had far-reaching consequences, inasmuch as it is seen as the start of the Hussite Wars, which lasted until 1434 or so and involved government-sponsored military action against the Hussites as well as Hussites fighting amongst themselves.
This event has come to be known as the First Defenestration of Prague. That is, I’m sure we all can agree, an AWESOME name, and probably the principal reason the riot is still remembered today. The word “defenestration” comes from Latin: de-, meaning “out of,” and fenestra, “window.”
The Czechs have a habit of throwing people out of windows at critical junctures in history; since 1419 there has been at least one more,nonfatal, but more famous Defenestration of Prague, in 1618.
(Bohemian nobles threw King Ferdinand’s appointees and his secretary out of a window in the royal castle in Prague. They survived only because they fell into a heap of manure thus saving their lives.)
That was the beginning of the Thirty Years' War…
Interesting, thanks for that.
We at DontCopIt.com promote Australian manufacturing, Australian Made, Australian Owned, Australian Designed and Australian Produced. This fight for Kogarah is the same fight to keep the War Memorial at Arncliffe safe from attack. You should listen to yourself Dennis, it is you who spouts hatred & fear. If you want the statue fine. Tell us why. You have a voice. We will listen. Well I will anyways. But do not spout your mouth off and bring the argument to bigoted name calling. I am sick of communists resorting to invalid claims of hatred & racism because I am a patriot! If you must know I grew up being called a Wog Dennis. I even have first cousins who are half Malay ! So don't accuse me of being a racist! I love my country.
Hi DontCopIt. If you have first cousins who are Malay, why are you on a site that says Asians "Aren't Australian and can never be Australian" and asks for them to be finacially encouraged to leave the country?
Do you think your first cousins can never be Australian? Do you want your first cousins to be financially encouraged to leave the country? Have you told them that to their face?
While we're at it,
"I agree there are many cultures that do not fit in here, nor will they ever. "
Like to tell us which cultures are these, and use specific reasons why. And, just as I asked Duncan remember that you can’t mention things like language, religion, culture, history, or education, as these elements vary as much within Europe as they do between Europe and the other continents.
You wont even print my comment, as you have no brain, anyway you stoopid hick ! Maybe you should get a REAL job as you probably bitter twisted and miserable all your life that is why you have put hatred on other things. I bet you were always and outcast at school and work !!! LOL … You bunch of LOOSERS ! Oh and leave Benji along
Some people are such losers they can't even spell the word. :p
Hi Devon….you say below that
"Those who are more likely to integrate into Australia are those who come from backgrounds most similar to Australia’s European base. The notion that all races, religions and cultures are of equal value to Australia is a notion that we reject. "
I think that needs some clarification. So let's know:
1). How European does an Australian have to be to be considered Australian? If there is one non-european in their grandparents bloodline, does that make them non-Australian? How about great-grandparents?
2). On a related note, if an Australian marries and has a child with a non-European, is that child no longer Australian, or is still an Australian?
3). Is a newly arrived english migrant more Australian than an asian-australian who has family going back generations in Australia? Please explain why?
4). In what ways are European migrants more able to integrate into Australia than non-european migrants? Please remember in your answer that you can't mention things like language, religion, culture, history, or education, as these elements vary as much within Europe as they do between Europe and the other continent.
5). Why you would say, under this ruling, that Martin Bryant and Ivan Milats are Australian, and Alice Pung and Anh Do are not?
I think the Australian people deserve to know these answers.
JM: 1. I believe being "Australian" is a matter of degree, rather than an either/or concept. You can be 100% Australian, the truest of the blue. Or 90%. Or 80%. 30 or 40%. Whatever. Factors would be language, accent, culture, religion, ancestry, time spent living in Australia, identity with and loyalty to the country you emigrated from. My personal view is that Northern Europeans either born here or emigrated at a very young age, are the truest of the blue. They are just "Australians". Meanwhile, there can be Asian-Australians, Arab-Australians, Chinese-Australians, Greek-Australians, Italian-Australians. These may be 80% Aussie or more, depending on various factors. But none of these groups are just "Australian". I also personally consider the aboriginals to be 100% Australian, because their people evolved on this continent. And one thing I am certain of, is that it isn't a passport that makes you Australian. It's much more to do with what's in your heart and in your blood.
3. No, I don't consider a newly-arrived British immigrant to be "more Australian" than say a third generation Asian-Australian.
4. Of course I can mention culture! Australia has a European-based culture and because Europeans are much more like other Europeans than they are Africans, Asians or Amerindians etc., it is simply much easier for them to integrate than those other groups will. Europeans integrate better in a variety of ways. Likewise it wouldn't be easy for Europeans to integrate into Asian or African cultures. Race matters, JM.
Hi Devon, thanks for your reply:
"1. I believe being “Australian” is a matter of degree, rather than an either/or concept. You can be 100% Australian, the truest of the blue."
So, what percentage would be okay to immigrate to Australia?
"Factors would be language, accent, culture, religion, ancestry, time spent living in Australia, identity with and loyalty to the country you emigrated from. "
Which religions are okay to come to Australia then? Which religions improve the ranking you receive as an Australian? Is Judaism a positive, or a negative? How about the Orthodox religion?
And how do particular accents effect how Australian a person is? Please give specific examples.
And you say time spent in Australia can determine how Australian a person is. I absolutely agree. But then why are you a member of a group that says Asians, no matter how long, or how many generations they are in Australia, are not Australian, and can never be Australian. Why are you a member of a group that says nonwhites, no matter how long they've been in Australia, should be encouraged to leave financially?
"My personal view is that Northern Europeans either born here or emigrated at a very young age, are the truest of the blue. They are just “Australians”."
Why? Why is a Norwegian boy, growing up in Melbourne, more Australian that the Greek and Italian families who helped make Melbourne what it is today?
"Meanwhile, there can be Asian-Australians, Arab-Australians, Chinese-Australians, Greek-Australians, Italian-Australians. These may be 80% Aussie or more, depending on various factors."
You'll have to show me your equation some time!
" But none of these groups are just “Australian”."
So….if a family in Australia comes from a European background and ignores their background, they're "True Blue Aussies"….would you go as far to say that an Englishman who has a strong fondness for his home country, cheers for it in the Olympics and world cup, would they be 80%-like the Greek-Australians you listed above?
" I also personally consider the aboriginals to be 100% Australian, because their people evolved on this continent."
But you just said that Australians with Northern European backgrounds are the "Most Australian". You're contradicting yourself.
" And one thing I am certain of, is that it isn’t a passport that makes you Australian. It’s much more to do with what’s in your heart and in your blood."
Heart-I agree with. Commitment to Australia is essential. But, please tell me, what do you mean by blood.
"3. No, I don’t consider a newly-arrived British immigrant to be “more Australian” than say a third generation Asian-Australian."
Then why are you in a group that says that Asians are always never Australian, and can never be Australian?
"4. Of course I can mention culture! Australia has a European-based culture "
Well, except for the Aborigines (You're forgettign them again!).
"and because Europeans are much more like other Europeans than they are Africans, Asians or Amerindians etc.,"
Really? Where have there been more religious conflicts? Between Europe and other continents, or within European states?
On what points is the diversity in Europe acceptable, and the diversity between Europe and other countries unacceptable?
And if Europeans are "More or less" the same-why did you yourself just distinguish Northern Europeans from Southern Europeans, the later only ever being able to be at most 80% Australian, according to you?
" it is simply much easier for them to integrate than those other groups will. Europeans integrate better in a variety of ways. "
How? Language problems are still there. Religious differences are still there. Cultural differences are still there. Historical differences are still there.
"Likewise it wouldn’t be easy for Europeans to integrate into Asian or African cultures. Race matters, JM."
Why does race matter? As I pointed out in my last question, which you ignored, why are you supporting a policy that would see Martin Bryant and Ivan Milat as more acceptable and more integrated Australians, than Alice Pung and Anh Do?
And you didn't answer-if an Australian has a child with a non-european, is their child Australian, or non Australian?
I think you should all get a life and leave the Bruce Lee statue alone. If you wanna protest DONT wear anything do with China ie: clothes, food, materials so get a life you stoopid rednecks hicks.
Apparently Dennis is a supporter of Chinese forced labour camps/sweat shops/worker exploitation where they make his two dollar singlet, stubbies and thongs.
who would you want the STATUE to be of ?
i like bruce lee when he moved to America he learnt the language and integrated him self into the community
last time i went to centerlink i had to wait a long time 4 people in the line in front of me needed diferent interperators obviously if they are on centerlink they have been here 2 – 5 years min and cant even understand a letter about rental assistance
if they dont learn it in 2 years they should pay for interpreter
6x interperators @ every centerlink whats that cost
my wife moved hear from over seas and took on intensive English 11 months later she speaks reads and rites great English
Alfred Deakin? Or even Clive James? Something that might be relevant to Australians, not the ethnic cronyism we saw on display last Friday.
Why does HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES IN CHINA and TIBET got to do with this protest..?? it about the Chinese icon Bruce lee…
I'm kinda neutral with this protest since i'm Chinese but this got nothing to do with HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES IN CHINA and TIBET.
Lot of immigrant come to Australia because of war/poverty/human rights and better life …The Chinese people in Australia didn't even demand to have *THE BRUCE LEE STATUE IT the government of China wanted it.. (We wouldn't mind having it) since look good ^_^
Jin,
The protest was also an opportunity to expose human rights abuses in China and Tibet. Don't forget that Kogarah has sister city relationships with Chinese cities with forced labour camps containing political prisoners. It would be nice to see more Chinese take an interest in human rights abuses in China instead of living in denial.
Australians don't want multiculturalism. What would happen if the Chinese Govt. started to import millions of people from different cultures and funded their advancement while displacing Chinese culture? You would be up in arms.
I understand many migrants come from war torn and poverty stricken countries but it is time to close the door. It is time Asian countries started to share the burden and attend to their own problems. The illegal bogus refugees and migrants ate bankrupting the tax payer. It is not right to expect the Australian people to sacrifice their country, would China do this?
Australia has accepted over 800,000 refugees since WW2 and over 7,000,000 migrants – a massive contribution. Australians don't want Australia to be a dumping ground for back alleys of Shanghai, Baghdad or Mogadhisu. Enough is enough!
Where's your evidence that Australians don't want Multiculturalism? Considering that One Nation, at it's height, got less than 10% of the vote, that's a very large majority that disagrees with their aims.
We don't want multiculturalism we want integration. I don't care who comes here as long as the do it legally & they get on with respecting and accepting our culture as their new culture. Then I am happy to learn a litle about theirs. I have been to countries all over south east Asia. I didn't go there and tell them how to run their world, I went there to see their culture for what it is and that is very valid. It is valid and if I moved to live there I would be required to accept it. That is what I am asking. That people who come here live by our law, our culture, and accept that's the way we do things. If you don't like the way we live, if you don't respectvour laws and rules, get on a plane and go back. If you managed to screw the country you just came from, don't come here expecting to screw ours. Pretty simple, respect me and I will respect you. Life can be pretty simple if everyone just gets on with it. Having said the above let's get something straight. If you come here illegally because you bought your way here, you must be returned to whence you came. If you could buy your way you have the money to do it properly, don't spout off you are a refugee. If your country is at war and you are physically capable of picking up a weapon, go defend it, don't be a bloody coward. Make an application and your familys situation should be assessed. But don't pay someone a fortune putting your children at the highest level of risk to the extent it's criminal.
Why, so you can get welfare ? Don't like it, don't come here. We don't cop it, I won't cop it. Integrate or go back to where you came from.
I repeat:
"Where’s your evidence that Australians don’t want Multiculturalism?"
And if you are of the mindset of "As long as they respect our laws and our culture, they're allright" why are you on the website of a group that frequently states that Asians, and other non-whites "Are not Australian and can never be Australian"
Hi DontCopIt. I'm sure most of us can certainly relate to your sentiments. However, I thought that I should point that we in the APP actually DO care where immigrants come from. We believe in discriminatory immigration and we don't apologise for it. Good immigrants for Australia require a lot more than merely good intentions. Those who are more likely to integrate into Australia are those who come from backgrounds most similar to Australia's European base. The notion that all races, religions and cultures are of equal value to Australia is a notion that we reject. Cheers.
Hi Devon, Maybe what I was saying in a round about way after 2 hours sleep wasn't clear enough. I was actually trying to express your sentiments. I agree there are many cultures that do not fit in here, nor will they ever. I have some brilliant photos of some rallies in Britain, where one can clearly see that if we are not careful, will be occurring here at a street corner near you. 200 people surrounding Green Valley Police Station is a prime example. So I would not suggest that I don't believe in discriminatory immigration. I am pretty sure I said immigrants should be assessed. May I just clear that up.
Cheers
great work all of like 5 of you showed up and didn't know if you where protesting china Tibet democracy nobody payed to much attention to you i say go to lakemba if you got the balls
Jai,
We had 12 APP members and supporters show up on friday, 5 members were wearing APP T-shirts.
If we had no "balls" we wouldn't have shown up on Friday. We are patriotic Australian grassroots activists so you will be hearing a lot more of us in the future.
The protest issues were the constant betrayal by Kogarah Council elevating Chinese culture above Australian culture. Chinese cultural imperialism should be challenged and also the hopeless traitous Liberal and (Dis)Unity party Councillors.
The people of Australia do not want multiculturalism, it a destructive policy of failure. Australia is now a diviided nation due to too much immigration and continual elevation of other cultures.
If the Chinese culture is so great, why did they leave their culture to come here?
Got any photos of that, Nicky? Because the APP has a history of over-exaggerating turn out numbers, like their Martin Place protest which according to your group had 20 people, but according to your own photographic evidence…had 11.
Thanks for your support, DontCopIt. This is an important rally. I hope we can get as many as possible to attend.
We do it's called dontcopit.com . You want China Watch come post it on dontcopit.com !
Cheers !
This is an interesting article:
http://www.vdare.com/misc/110218_chinese_immigrat…
We should probably have a 'An Australia China Watch' site to try and monitor what is going on. Over the years I've noticed a number of things that concern me in regards to the Chinese / Asian community in Australia and there is a lot of social silencing to not discuss these issues openly.