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> <channel><title>Comments on: APP calls for submissions for Environmental policy</title> <atom:link href="http://www.protectionist.net/2010/06/28/app-calls-for-submissions-for-environmental-policy/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.protectionist.net/2010/06/28/app-calls-for-submissions-for-environmental-policy/</link> <description>Australian Protectionists - Australians protecting Australia</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 08:33:09 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: geronimo</title><link>http://www.protectionist.net/2010/06/28/app-calls-for-submissions-for-environmental-policy/#comment-57742</link> <dc:creator>geronimo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:42:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.protectionist.net/?p=1755#comment-57742</guid> <description>Hi Nathan,  interesting comments.&lt;em&gt;There are countries in the world who have positive economical growrth with a decrease in population. Why cannot Australia do this as well? (I do have answers to that but a lot of socialists/communist/green fascists wont listen).
&lt;/em&gt;Yes, there are very strong economies e.g. Denmark with a 3rd of our population.  I&#039;d be very interested in hearing your answers to this, so be good if you could either provide them by way of comments or linkscheers</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nathan,  interesting comments.</p><p><em>There are countries in the world who have positive economical growrth with a decrease in population. Why cannot Australia do this as well? (I do have answers to that but a lot of socialists/communist/green fascists wont listen).<br
/> </em></p><p>Yes, there are very strong economies e.g. Denmark with a 3rd of our population.  I&#8217;d be very interested in hearing your answers to this, so be good if you could either provide them by way of comments or links</p><p>cheers</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: geronimo</title><link>http://www.protectionist.net/2010/06/28/app-calls-for-submissions-for-environmental-policy/#comment-57311</link> <dc:creator>geronimo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:28:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.protectionist.net/?p=1755#comment-57311</guid> <description>While this section is for comment on population policy, since there are comments of energy I felt they deserve some consideration. We may well have to resort to Nuclear power (and of the forms of power station, it&#039;s the one that carries the greatest risk and of course there are issues with safe nuclear waste disposal) - but perhaps we can avoid or minimise our dabblings in it.  We shouldn&#039;t rule out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zdnet.com.au/nuclear-fusion-becomes-economic-reality-339285739.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nuclear Fusion&lt;/a&gt; and some astonishing inroads are being made in solar energy technologies.  One of the biggest issues with solar energy is in how to store the energy captured - but there are some clever ideas such as gas compression and molten salt technologies which are worth consideration.  For anyone who&#039;s interested, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://beyondzeroemissions.org/zero-carbon-australia-2020&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Beyond Zero Emissions&lt;/a&gt; site is well worth a look.  There are also no technical limitations to a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;space solar power station&lt;/a&gt;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this section is for comment on population policy, since there are comments of energy I felt they deserve some consideration. We may well have to resort to Nuclear power (and of the forms of power station, it&#8217;s the one that carries the greatest risk and of course there are issues with safe nuclear waste disposal) &#8211; but perhaps we can avoid or minimise our dabblings in it.  We shouldn&#8217;t rule out <a
href="http://www.zdnet.com.au/nuclear-fusion-becomes-economic-reality-339285739.htm" rel="nofollow">Nuclear Fusion</a> and some astonishing inroads are being made in solar energy technologies.  One of the biggest issues with solar energy is in how to store the energy captured &#8211; but there are some clever ideas such as gas compression and molten salt technologies which are worth consideration.  For anyone who&#8217;s interested, the <a
href="http://beyondzeroemissions.org/zero-carbon-australia-2020" rel="nofollow">Beyond Zero Emissions</a> site is well worth a look.  There are also no technical limitations to a <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power" rel="nofollow">space solar power station</a>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: geronimo</title><link>http://www.protectionist.net/2010/06/28/app-calls-for-submissions-for-environmental-policy/#comment-57184</link> <dc:creator>geronimo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:43:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.protectionist.net/?p=1755#comment-57184</guid> <description>Hi,As has been mentioned several times above, it all ties in with population.I&#039;m unsure whether you&#039;ve had any dialogue with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.population.org.au/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sustainable Population Australia&lt;/a&gt;?? But if not, they have a wealth of information that you might be able to draw from.Perhaps the most misunderstood thing about Australia is the belief that because of Australia&#039;s size, we can support a lot more people.  Some will tell you we can easily support a billion.  Yet, it&#039;s clear, these people have done no research - if you ask them how much arable land Australia has, you will never hear them say less than 10% - this is further exacerbated by the fact that our population is concentrated on the arable land and as our urban footprint increases, our arable land decreases.  Some will say - desalination plants, science will save us - but instead of taking the option of looking at a sensible population size, we take this as license to increase population - and it would seem we&#039;ve been at a point of diminishing return for several years now.It really isn&#039;t a question of whether we should stabilise our population, it&#039;s a question of whether we seek to stabilise willingly knowing that we have no alternative, or leave it up to nature or the universe.Paul R. Ehrlich and Albert Bartlett are just two of the names that are worth searching on - Albert Bartlett&#039;s video on youtube is a must see.We have some significant challenges that can only be made increasingly more difficult while our government mindlessly promotes increasing population size (people only need to look at the bureau of stats and do a quick calc to see how quickly our population is increasing) - and a side effect of this is increase in cost of living, more demand on urban infrastructure, health services, more pressure on our ecological infrastructure, more demand on arable land (including more and more good farmland going under the knife of the developer), loss of biodiversity - the list goes on and on - and the government cannot keep up.  In the meantime, we are having to also face the challenge of growing sufficient food post cheap Oil which is not only used for transport and countless other things but more pertinently, fertilizer - while our government seeks to undermine the main tool we have - organic farming by kowtowing to the likes of Monsanto and their GM crops - which also kills Japanese and European markets.The key is in part educating and empowering women, but there are the obvious things such as cutting immigration significantly (and then only accepting culturally compatible migrants), eradicating that stupid baby bonus (the two aforementioned are a recipe for under-educated over-breeders - and this cycle needs to be broken).  Adopting a similar policy as the UK where the illegal immigrations (arriving by boat or container etc) are stopped at their country of origin (the boat people stopped overnight when the UK implemented this policy).  (It&#039;s not just the 15,000, it&#039;s their families ultimately soon follow or that their cultural values which are to have as many children as they can and their belief that Australia offers them a Golden ticket - it&#039;s also the precedent it sets - detainees rioting and growing support by those who&#039;ve already settled here - we will soon lose the option of doing anything about this if we do not act soon and act decisively).Australia was sold the ageing population myth and many still believe it - perhaps education in this area to dispel this myth and making this apparent to any future migrants.Many Australian businesses use our loose migration regulations to import foreign labour citing skills shortages.  This has the other side-effect that investments aren&#039;t being made in training our young.  This is an insidious practice and something that needs to be addressed such that it is more beneficial to invest in our young - it is hard for us to perceive the benefits - but it goes right through to revenue loss due to crime.  The APP is moving in the right direction by addressing the &quot;free&quot; trade shambles that has contributed to the loss of significant industry and broken the livelihood of so many farmers; not to mention surrendering of land and assets to foreign hands and along with it our sovereignty.My next thoughts are no doubt (more) contentious - but unfortunately, I&#039;ve seen no evidence to the contrary.  The Muslims that have moved to Australia/UK to get away from the extremism do not even understand why it&#039;s followed them.While perhaps not obviously contributing to population problems, it is in fact apparent that Ideologies such as Islam while they insist on not separating religion from education and governance hinder the freedom of choice we try to afford to all citizens.  As such, Islam competes with democracy (and in fact uses democracy to destroy democracy) - perhaps it should actually be revoked of religious status and not be eligible for government funding and we should definitely not have Islamic schools because students emerging from these schools have been shown to come out less competitive academically, rendering disenfranchised generations who are often targets for more extremist groups - and this is where it ties in to population - have more babies at government expense and continue the indoctrination cycle.  I think part of the curriculum could be studying all religions - contrasting belief&#039;s and history.  While I understand that not all Muslims subscribe to this, unfortunately, they are not doing anything to resolve the growing problem and in truth, they subscribe to God first, Australia second - as such, their loyalty is not with Australian democracy.All the best APP - at last, a party interested in doing what a government&#039;s supposed to do.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p><p>As has been mentioned several times above, it all ties in with population.</p><p>I&#8217;m unsure whether you&#8217;ve had any dialogue with <a
href="http://www.population.org.au/" rel="nofollow">Sustainable Population Australia</a>?? But if not, they have a wealth of information that you might be able to draw from.</p><p>Perhaps the most misunderstood thing about Australia is the belief that because of Australia&#8217;s size, we can support a lot more people.  Some will tell you we can easily support a billion.  Yet, it&#8217;s clear, these people have done no research &#8211; if you ask them how much arable land Australia has, you will never hear them say less than 10% &#8211; this is further exacerbated by the fact that our population is concentrated on the arable land and as our urban footprint increases, our arable land decreases.  Some will say &#8211; desalination plants, science will save us &#8211; but instead of taking the option of looking at a sensible population size, we take this as license to increase population &#8211; and it would seem we&#8217;ve been at a point of diminishing return for several years now.</p><p>It really isn&#8217;t a question of whether we should stabilise our population, it&#8217;s a question of whether we seek to stabilise willingly knowing that we have no alternative, or leave it up to nature or the universe.</p><p>Paul R. Ehrlich and Albert Bartlett are just two of the names that are worth searching on &#8211; Albert Bartlett&#8217;s video on youtube is a must see.</p><p>We have some significant challenges that can only be made increasingly more difficult while our government mindlessly promotes increasing population size (people only need to look at the bureau of stats and do a quick calc to see how quickly our population is increasing) &#8211; and a side effect of this is increase in cost of living, more demand on urban infrastructure, health services, more pressure on our ecological infrastructure, more demand on arable land (including more and more good farmland going under the knife of the developer), loss of biodiversity &#8211; the list goes on and on &#8211; and the government cannot keep up.  In the meantime, we are having to also face the challenge of growing sufficient food post cheap Oil which is not only used for transport and countless other things but more pertinently, fertilizer &#8211; while our government seeks to undermine the main tool we have &#8211; organic farming by kowtowing to the likes of Monsanto and their GM crops &#8211; which also kills Japanese and European markets.</p><p>The key is in part educating and empowering women, but there are the obvious things such as cutting immigration significantly (and then only accepting culturally compatible migrants), eradicating that stupid baby bonus (the two aforementioned are a recipe for under-educated over-breeders &#8211; and this cycle needs to be broken).  Adopting a similar policy as the UK where the illegal immigrations (arriving by boat or container etc) are stopped at their country of origin (the boat people stopped overnight when the UK implemented this policy).  (It&#8217;s not just the 15,000, it&#8217;s their families ultimately soon follow or that their cultural values which are to have as many children as they can and their belief that Australia offers them a Golden ticket &#8211; it&#8217;s also the precedent it sets &#8211; detainees rioting and growing support by those who&#8217;ve already settled here &#8211; we will soon lose the option of doing anything about this if we do not act soon and act decisively).</p><p>Australia was sold the ageing population myth and many still believe it &#8211; perhaps education in this area to dispel this myth and making this apparent to any future migrants.</p><p>Many Australian businesses use our loose migration regulations to import foreign labour citing skills shortages.  This has the other side-effect that investments aren&#8217;t being made in training our young.  This is an insidious practice and something that needs to be addressed such that it is more beneficial to invest in our young &#8211; it is hard for us to perceive the benefits &#8211; but it goes right through to revenue loss due to crime.  The APP is moving in the right direction by addressing the &#8220;free&#8221; trade shambles that has contributed to the loss of significant industry and broken the livelihood of so many farmers; not to mention surrendering of land and assets to foreign hands and along with it our sovereignty.</p><p>My next thoughts are no doubt (more) contentious &#8211; but unfortunately, I&#8217;ve seen no evidence to the contrary.  The Muslims that have moved to Australia/UK to get away from the extremism do not even understand why it&#8217;s followed them.</p><p>While perhaps not obviously contributing to population problems, it is in fact apparent that Ideologies such as Islam while they insist on not separating religion from education and governance hinder the freedom of choice we try to afford to all citizens.  As such, Islam competes with democracy (and in fact uses democracy to destroy democracy) &#8211; perhaps it should actually be revoked of religious status and not be eligible for government funding and we should definitely not have Islamic schools because students emerging from these schools have been shown to come out less competitive academically, rendering disenfranchised generations who are often targets for more extremist groups &#8211; and this is where it ties in to population &#8211; have more babies at government expense and continue the indoctrination cycle.  I think part of the curriculum could be studying all religions &#8211; contrasting belief&#8217;s and history.  While I understand that not all Muslims subscribe to this, unfortunately, they are not doing anything to resolve the growing problem and in truth, they subscribe to God first, Australia second &#8211; as such, their loyalty is not with Australian democracy.</p><p>All the best APP &#8211; at last, a party interested in doing what a government&#8217;s supposed to do.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mike monroe</title><link>http://www.protectionist.net/2010/06/28/app-calls-for-submissions-for-environmental-policy/#comment-56882</link> <dc:creator>mike monroe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 01:42:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.protectionist.net/?p=1755#comment-56882</guid> <description>Well said Mr Clifton, I hope you are telling your family and friends about this party, that&#039;s how we grow...before it&#039;s too late.
Well done fellow Aussies.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Mr Clifton, I hope you are telling your family and friends about this party, that&#8217;s how we grow&#8230;before it&#8217;s too late.<br
/> Well done fellow Aussies.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bradley Clifton</title><link>http://www.protectionist.net/2010/06/28/app-calls-for-submissions-for-environmental-policy/#comment-56832</link> <dc:creator>Bradley Clifton</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 07:12:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.protectionist.net/?p=1755#comment-56832</guid> <description>A well presented argument that ties in benefits is that if we were to reduce immigration to say 40,000 we would reduce the impact on the environment,reduce pressure on housing(I can&#039;t afford a Home) and reduce pressure on infrastructure.Merely bringing more people into the country to take over as the population gets older is not a proper solution, it is delaying the inevitable problem because eventually we will have to face the problem.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A well presented argument that ties in benefits is that if we were to reduce immigration to say 40,000 we would reduce the impact on the environment,reduce pressure on housing(I can&#8217;t afford a Home) and reduce pressure on infrastructure.Merely bringing more people into the country to take over as the population gets older is not a proper solution, it is delaying the inevitable problem because eventually we will have to face the problem.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sally</title><link>http://www.protectionist.net/2010/06/28/app-calls-for-submissions-for-environmental-policy/#comment-52346</link> <dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 00:49:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.protectionist.net/?p=1755#comment-52346</guid> <description>Trees, innovative ideas and a concentrated focus on renewable energy including &quot;natural gas&quot; are good places to start. The Australian people cannot absorb another tax. At the end of the week, most Australians can&#039;t even afford to have even a few little luxuries for their hard work.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trees, innovative ideas and a concentrated focus on renewable energy including &#8220;natural gas&#8221; are good places to start. The Australian people cannot absorb another tax. At the end of the week, most Australians can&#8217;t even afford to have even a few little luxuries for their hard work.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: R.M. Griffin</title><link>http://www.protectionist.net/2010/06/28/app-calls-for-submissions-for-environmental-policy/#comment-43751</link> <dc:creator>R.M. Griffin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:53:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.protectionist.net/?p=1755#comment-43751</guid> <description>Warung Discussion&#039;s comment, couched as it is, in the treminology of the illiterate, reminds me of a cartoon I encountered recently.  It depicts a family of &quot;cavemen&quot; lounging in squalor and &quot;celebrating&quot; their freedom from the perils of nuclear power.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warung Discussion&#8217;s comment, couched as it is, in the treminology of the illiterate, reminds me of a cartoon I encountered recently.  It depicts a family of &#8220;cavemen&#8221; lounging in squalor and &#8220;celebrating&#8221; their freedom from the perils of nuclear power.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: APP News</title><link>http://www.protectionist.net/2010/06/28/app-calls-for-submissions-for-environmental-policy/#comment-43697</link> <dc:creator>APP News</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 08:06:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.protectionist.net/?p=1755#comment-43697</guid> <description>Ok, bye.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, bye.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Warung Discussion</title><link>http://www.protectionist.net/2010/06/28/app-calls-for-submissions-for-environmental-policy/#comment-43612</link> <dc:creator>Warung Discussion</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:15:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.protectionist.net/?p=1755#comment-43612</guid> <description>oh c&#039;mon. nuclear power? Australia does not need it. whose leg are you pulling? i will not join any party if that party advocates going nuclear. stupidity unleashed.
look what&#039;s happened in ye olde Nippon
otherwise the app&#039;s other policies go a long way to getting this country steered on the right track.
IF the APP drops its nuclear stance it will gain a better following.
Nuclear will turn people off APP.
GET A GRIP mate!
this is a weakness that can be easily used by the Govt to downgrade the APP.
You want to wake people up?
Australians do not want Nuclear. its a turn-off! how many votes you gunna get?
reword and rework your policies!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh c&#8217;mon. nuclear power? Australia does not need it. whose leg are you pulling? i will not join any party if that party advocates going nuclear. stupidity unleashed.<br
/> look what&#8217;s happened in ye olde Nippon<br
/> otherwise the app&#8217;s other policies go a long way to getting this country steered on the right track.<br
/> IF the APP drops its nuclear stance it will gain a better following.<br
/> Nuclear will turn people off APP.<br
/> GET A GRIP mate!<br
/> this is a weakness that can be easily used by the Govt to downgrade the APP.<br
/> You want to wake people up?<br
/> Australians do not want Nuclear. its a turn-off! how many votes you gunna get?<br
/> reword and rework your policies!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: R.M. Griffin</title><link>http://www.protectionist.net/2010/06/28/app-calls-for-submissions-for-environmental-policy/#comment-42655</link> <dc:creator>R.M. Griffin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:22:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.protectionist.net/?p=1755#comment-42655</guid> <description>What Australia needs for the future is:
The latest in nuclear powered electricity generation, (Now, more than ever!),
Fewer cyclists, most of these are arrogant ignorant idiots and a menace to others and to themselves.Wind power and electric cars are total failures whenever they have been foisted on the public.The best thing the A.P.P. can do to preserve the best of Australia is concentrate on the elimination of the false &quot;religions&quot; of  islam and  &#039;Anthropomorphic Climate Change&#039;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Australia needs for the future is:<br
/> The latest in nuclear powered electricity generation, (Now, more than ever!),<br
/> Fewer cyclists, most of these are arrogant ignorant idiots and a menace to others and to themselves.</p><p>Wind power and electric cars are total failures whenever they have been foisted on the public.</p><p>The best thing the A.P.P. can do to preserve the best of Australia is concentrate on the elimination of the false &#8220;religions&#8221; of  islam and  &#8216;Anthropomorphic Climate Change&#8217;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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