Comments on: Islam Is Incompatible With Diversity

By: Barry

Barry — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:45:44 +0000

I was so disgusted with the Tasmanian Labor Party's election campaign. Before any political advertising even started, Labor had flooded the media with a negative campaign against the Liberals and then when they thought the Greens might win a few extra seats they hit them with an equally negative campaign. This is just so wrong. If they can only win an election by putting down the other side while having such little policy substance then they don't deserve to govern. I really hope that the Liberals can have a respectful working relationship with the Greens for the benefit of Tasmania. It is evident that Tasmanians are sick and tired of Labor's spin and lets hope they can take that disgust to the federal election. Can't Labor just run a good, clean campaign without bullying the opponent or the smaller parties? I hear they handed out dodgy material in SA too, persuading Family First voters to give preferences to Labor. Is that legal?

By: Crimson

Crimson — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:49:49 +0000

Shock, Classical Greece and Rome were the birthplaces for what we know as Liberalism today, the very philosophy revolved around the Roman notion of Citizen and the freedom of that Citizen.

It was that very individualistic liberalism that was practiced by Classical Rome and Greece that lead to thier ruin, like every other Liberalistic Civilisation prior and since.

That said, the Classical Romans and Greeks were a touch more liberal than we Westerners are today, thanks largely to those responsible for spreading the Modern Liberalism being rather Religious such as the pioneering Americans.

Regards,

Crimson

By: euro

euro — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:52:36 +0000

well said Seth, good point. The terrorists apply taqi'ya to fool us, pretending to be Religion of Peace. The facts tell different.

By: Seth

Seth — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:28:22 +0000

Macca, you may find that in the near future the Bureau of Statistics may very likely lift that figure to 100 in 10,000 is a terrorist risk or higher. Only time will tell. It is all such an unknown at this stage but it is likely that that figure could change dramatically overnight. How can you measure something which may just be laying dormant? How can the Bureau of Statistics know someone's thoughts? As we have seen of these crimes in the past, it has come from people who have had no indication of any aggression, sadism or criminal activity. We just can't know someone's mind so the risk must be removed because what amount of risk is a safe amount of risk when it comes to the safety of our nation and its people?

By: Rebecca

Rebecca — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:04:07 +0000

Strangely I see a comparison with the Pit Bull debate. "Punish the deed, not the breed" .. Christianity has a hellish past full of murder and oppression. But look at it today. Modern Christians are far different from their historical counterparts. Maybe one day the Muslim extremists will stop, but that day is not here yet. We must punish their deeds and not ignore those who are trying to progressively change the religion. Until such a change happens we cannot allow their further advancement through the world.

Should immigrant Amazonian head hunter tribes be allowed to kill people in Australia because it is their religion? Of course this would be an extreme example, it does illustrate the fact that there are distinct differences between cultures. We must preserve our own ideas of what is right and what is wrong in our country just as they are allowed to do in theirs.

By: Shockadelic

Shockadelic — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:01:33 +0000

Rome and Greece were ruins by the time Liberalism came to dominate the Western World, and I'm sure in ancient times 'liberal' values only applied to the upper class.

Modern liberalism and democracy developed concurrently with the Enlightenment (I did not say one caused the other) and applies to all people, not just the aristocrats. These developments in turn helped modernise the Church.

The point was that only the West (and therefore its religion, Christianity) was affected by these developments, the Asian and Islamic civilisations were not.

Therefore, one should be suspicious of non-Western people claiming to embrace 'diversity' on the basis on our liberal/democratic traditions, traditions that don't exist in their history, only in ours.

Asian traditions are based not on the free will of the individual (something that also exists in Christianity, not just secular humanism), but almost its opposite: family obligations and unchallengable natural/supernatural forces (the Tao, karma).

By: Macca

Macca — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:27:06 +0000

By the way the Bureau of Statistics says that of 10000 refugees that arrive in Australia 1 is a terrorist or suspected terrorist or a person who may POSSIBLY be a terrorist – or who may be completely innocent, so no there isn't a army of terrorists invading!

By: euro

euro — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:49:33 +0000

why would I care about "Catholic Church was…bla…bla…bla". We deal with the situation here which is definite "is". Someone makes a very well orchestrated effort to islamise Australia. Sorry, for being "whatever fobic" – I simply do not want that to happen. Knowing history is a good thing, but common sense should apply in regards to relevance of making any historical analogies. Back to catholic church – I would fight them too if they were to attempt implementation of their practices from medieval times (e.g. inquisition). Satisfied?

By: Brian

Brian — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:31:55 +0000

Australian Islamist Monitor

Islam Under Scrutiny

http://www.australianislamistmonitor.org/index.ph…

By: Macca

Macca — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:52:09 +0000

This is to Nicholas Folkes –
"Muslims are tribal people and most of their violence is sectarian" Look see. You are revealing your true racist paranoia. You are contending that all Muslims follow a nomadic lifestyle, thats obviously not true if they live in Australia. And as far as sectarianism goes well let me just summarize by saying that Irish and English forces are still killing each other over which religion is right and who deserves the land of northern island!!
" I suggest you buy a few history books and stop living in denial because your position is to portray Islam as the victim." thats because it is. You juts dont want to see it that way because then you would experience guilt and a sense of duty to help them out, but no you cant do any of that, because then your party would have to accept the right to religious freedom and liberty which it wont!

"What about the Muslims exploiting welfare in Western nations?" Yeh right mate. Did you know that the most welfare is used by Australians, I mean 6th generation Australians etc who live in white suburbs!

"Also read the Koran, the ultimate deathcult manual (wot?!). Only a fool after reading would conclude muslims to be sane".
Ok how about the Bible – in the chapter where it says kill all homosexuals (do you like that? coz its part of the bible!!!) it also says "20 And they shall say unto the elders of the city, This our son is rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of this city shall stone him with stones, that he die". Forget about the Quran, how about the Bible if we lived by that half the country would have been stoned to death for being drunk at one point in their lives!!!!! Also Exodus 21 verse 7 says its Ok to sell your daughter into slavery (yay human rights!!). Exodus 35 verse 2 – anyone who is working on the Sabbath must be killed (hooray freedom of choice!!!). And how about this one Corinthians 11:14 – it says having long hair should invoke shame from society!!!(sorry Jesus!!) and then verse 19 to 25, continuing on says that a man should not go near a women who is having her period!!!(You cant smell superstition!?!!)
"you can find heaps more excuses to kill and punish people for no reason if you keep going, hell they only did for 2000 years (that's right they are still doing it in the form of your party!!)