Comments on: Activists with size 12 carbon footprints http://www.protectionist.net/2009/11/27/activists-with-size-12-carbon-footprints/ Australian Protectionists - Australians protecting Australia Wed, 16 May 2012 08:33:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Black Knighthttp://www.protectionist.net/2009/11/27/activists-with-size-12-carbon-footprints/#comment-6410 Black Knight Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:53:32 +0000 http://www.protectionist.net/?p=912#comment-6410 I'll be interested to hear their arguments. To me it seems that the white population is going down all over the world but that of the Third World is increasing. Till recently I thought that Paul Ehrlich had a poor track record when it came to predicting the future but then came those world-wide food riots due to food being turned into biofuel. Perhaps we are closer to global famine than we'd like to admit. Ehrlich may still turn out to be right. I'll be interested to hear their arguments. To me it seems that the white population is going down all over the world but that of the Third World is increasing. Till recently I thought that Paul Ehrlich had a poor track record when it came to predicting the future but then came those world-wide food riots due to food being turned into biofuel. Perhaps we are closer to global famine than we'd like to admit. Ehrlich may still turn out to be right.

]]> By: Cattyhttp://www.protectionist.net/2009/11/27/activists-with-size-12-carbon-footprints/#comment-6409 Catty Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:15:15 +0000 http://www.protectionist.net/?p=912#comment-6409 Thanks for the trailers BK - scary all round isn't it? But I say population growth trends will continue. However, it seems clear that some races won't make it into the future. I have read about the drop in fertility rates some time ago....and for the record, I am NOT in favour of forced sterilizations of third world women. I advocate voluntary family planning and trying to get third world governments to introduce positive incentives that benefit the family as a whole. For instance - less children = better education opportunities = better careers = better incomes = a higher & heathier lifestyle. Thanks for the trailers BK – scary all round isn't it? But I say population growth trends will continue. However, it seems clear that some races won't make it into the future. I have read about the drop in fertility rates some time ago….and for the record, I am NOT in favour of forced sterilizations of third world women. I advocate voluntary family planning and trying to get third world governments to introduce positive incentives that benefit the family as a whole. For instance – less children = better education opportunities = better careers = better incomes = a higher & heathier lifestyle.

]]> By: Black Knighthttp://www.protectionist.net/2009/11/27/activists-with-size-12-carbon-footprints/#comment-6401 Black Knight Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:47:40 +0000 http://www.protectionist.net/?p=912#comment-6401 Catty - Here's a web site that offers some perhaps different perspectives: <a href="http://demographicwinter.com/demographicWinter.swf" target="_blank">http://demographicwinter.com/demographicWinter.sw...</a> I've sent for their two DVDs. They should at least be interesting. Catty – Here's a web site that offers some perhaps different perspectives:

http://demographicwinter.com/demographicWinter.sw…

I've sent for their two DVDs. They should at least be interesting.

]]> By: Cattyhttp://www.protectionist.net/2009/11/27/activists-with-size-12-carbon-footprints/#comment-6398 Catty Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:27:33 +0000 http://www.protectionist.net/?p=912#comment-6398 Without plant & animal life we are stuffed anyway - and the rate we are procreating on this earth we'll end up like those on Easter Island. Indigenious westerners (particulary white folk) are playing our part in reducing our families, even Catholics are rapidly downsizing....but the third world isn't. And in particular the Muslim world isn't. In a space of 65 years we have over doubled in number........and we'll double again in another 65 years and so on. The whole house of cards is going to come crashing down....and governments know it. Without plant & animal life we are stuffed anyway – and the rate we are procreating on this earth we'll end up like those on Easter Island. Indigenious westerners (particulary white folk) are playing our part in reducing our families, even Catholics are rapidly downsizing….but the third world isn't. And in particular the Muslim world isn't. In a space of 65 years we have over doubled in number……..and we'll double again in another 65 years and so on. The whole house of cards is going to come crashing down….and governments know it.

]]> By: Black Knighthttp://www.protectionist.net/2009/11/27/activists-with-size-12-carbon-footprints/#comment-6396 Black Knight Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:08:22 +0000 http://www.protectionist.net/?p=912#comment-6396 Vlad - No one wants to stop all climate change, only anthropogenic climate change that is considered to be detrimental to life on earth - especially human life! Vlad – No one wants to stop all climate change, only anthropogenic climate change that is considered to be detrimental to life on earth – especially human life!

]]> By: Black Knighthttp://www.protectionist.net/2009/11/27/activists-with-size-12-carbon-footprints/#comment-6394 Black Knight Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:57:58 +0000 http://www.protectionist.net/?p=912#comment-6394 Source: <a href="http://www.businessspectator.com.au//bs.nsf/Article/ETS-carbon-trading-CPRS-Kevin-Rudd-Malcolm-Turnbul-pd20091127-Y6R4H?OpenDocument&su=097B0B08797CD3E9CA25767B0033C945" target="_blank">http://www.businessspectator.com.au//bs.nsf/Artic...</a> Everything is going to be sweet! Source: http://www.businessspectator.com.au//bs.nsf/Artic…

Everything is going to be sweet!

]]> By: Black Knighthttp://www.protectionist.net/2009/11/27/activists-with-size-12-carbon-footprints/#comment-6395 Black Knight Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:57:37 +0000 http://www.protectionist.net/?p=912#comment-6395 Vlad - Don't worry low income earners are going to be compensated. Here's what Robert Gottliebsen has to say: "Where will that money go? John Howard retained office via the so called ‘Howard battlers’. Rudd learned from Howard so that’s where the money goes. "About $54 billion, or just under half, goes to lower and middle income people. Around 90 per cent of all low income households – or some 2.6 million households – will receive assistance equal to around 120 per cent of the overall cost increases they face. "Around 50 per cent of middle income households – about 1.7 million – will be fully compensated for overall cost increases flowing from the carbon trading legislation. And it gets better. Once the scheme starts, assistance will continue in perpetuity because these assistance payments are indexed to CPI and upfront assistance will automatically increase in line with the increasing carbon price as it affects household cost". Vlad – Don't worry low income earners are going to be compensated. Here's what Robert Gottliebsen has to say:

"Where will that money go? John Howard retained office via the so called ‘Howard battlers’. Rudd learned from Howard so that’s where the money goes.

"About $54 billion, or just under half, goes to lower and middle income people. Around 90 per cent of all low income households – or some 2.6 million households – will receive assistance equal to around 120 per cent of the overall cost increases they face.

"Around 50 per cent of middle income households – about 1.7 million – will be fully compensated for overall cost increases flowing from the carbon trading legislation. And it gets better. Once the scheme starts, assistance will continue in perpetuity because these assistance payments are indexed to CPI and upfront assistance will automatically increase in line with the increasing carbon price as it affects household cost".

]]> By: Vladislavhttp://www.protectionist.net/2009/11/27/activists-with-size-12-carbon-footprints/#comment-6266 Vladislav Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:42:18 +0000 http://www.protectionist.net/?p=912#comment-6266 BK, climate change has been happening for millions of years. It will never end, it cannot end as it's how the universe operates. Yes, we do need to look after our planet and treat it with respect though why are the common sense approaches ignored? Because they don't raise revenue for the government both nationally and internationally. We can also use less carbon by changing the building codes to make it standard practice to install solar hot water on every residential home. This is a job for local councils which the federal government could attempt to implement by making recommendations to councils. How many millions of years ago did the continents separate? Do you think that was because of climate change? Maybe. Do you think it was from humans? I have a sneaky feeling that we weren't to blame on that one. Even if humans die out, climate change will remain. BK, climate change has been happening for millions of years. It will never end, it cannot end as it's how the universe operates. Yes, we do need to look after our planet and treat it with respect though why are the common sense approaches ignored? Because they don't raise revenue for the government both nationally and internationally. We can also use less carbon by changing the building codes to make it standard practice to install solar hot water on every residential home. This is a job for local councils which the federal government could attempt to implement by making recommendations to councils. How many millions of years ago did the continents separate? Do you think that was because of climate change? Maybe. Do you think it was from humans? I have a sneaky feeling that we weren't to blame on that one. Even if humans die out, climate change will remain.

]]> By: Vladislavhttp://www.protectionist.net/2009/11/27/activists-with-size-12-carbon-footprints/#comment-6265 Vladislav Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:35:16 +0000 http://www.protectionist.net/?p=912#comment-6265 BK, this is a time when the majority of Australians are barely coping financially. Just to put food on the table and pay the rent is increasingly difficult. What do you think will happen when electricity prices increase by 20% and food prices between 7 and 10%? The government can not possibly subsidise this many people. If every Australian capital city had effective public transport systems, we could save a huge amount of carbon there. If we had major re-forestation programs to replace native trees, we would have cleaner air and be able to offset carbon emissions. If farmers were subsidised for planting nature reserves, we would offset carbon emissions also. If farmers had support from government to capture carbon in the soil, it would also decrease carbon emissions. There's simply many avenues to persue instead of trading. Trading is great for the corporate trading brokers but do you think that the little worker going to work and providing for his family is going to benefit from trading? For a simple analogy, one pays a huge tax when one fills up the car, then one pays a huge tax when one drives it. BK, this is a time when the majority of Australians are barely coping financially. Just to put food on the table and pay the rent is increasingly difficult. What do you think will happen when electricity prices increase by 20% and food prices between 7 and 10%? The government can not possibly subsidise this many people. If every Australian capital city had effective public transport systems, we could save a huge amount of carbon there. If we had major re-forestation programs to replace native trees, we would have cleaner air and be able to offset carbon emissions. If farmers were subsidised for planting nature reserves, we would offset carbon emissions also. If farmers had support from government to capture carbon in the soil, it would also decrease carbon emissions. There's simply many avenues to persue instead of trading. Trading is great for the corporate trading brokers but do you think that the little worker going to work and providing for his family is going to benefit from trading? For a simple analogy, one pays a huge tax when one fills up the car, then one pays a huge tax when one drives it.

]]> By: Revisionisthttp://www.protectionist.net/2009/11/27/activists-with-size-12-carbon-footprints/#comment-6263 Revisionist Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:03:10 +0000 http://www.protectionist.net/?p=912#comment-6263 The cap is pure mythology. The cap is pure mythology.

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